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The ancient and modern Finns have a lot of Scythian autosomal blood:
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Who are the Scythians? Let's begin at first to investigate and discuss with Mediterranean Haplogroup G2a. All haplotypes in the Network are SNP-tested.


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Edit: I had time only to investigate the blue balls: Scythians!


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The ancient and modern Finns have a lot of Scythian autosomal blood etc....

Is this a nice and growing tree or a forest?

Before going into G2a I want to ask about Egyin Gol, grave number 25A/male.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1180365/
He is absolutely N1c1 but his autosomal tells as follows:
According to partial profile of ENSFI his family is genetically Finnic:
ENSFI:
Submitted Data
Profile: D3: 15/16, VWA: 16/17, D8: 13/13, D21: 30/31, D18: 14/19, FGA: 20/21 (Partial Profile)
FST: 0.01
ResultCountry Actual Matching
Probability Balding Size Bias
Correction Balding & Nichols
FST NRC II Upper Bound
Confidence Intervals
Austria 2.2534E-8 2.6349E-8 7.8642E-8 8.0446E-8
Belgium 3.8540E-8 4.6157E-8 1.2838E-7 1.5136E-7
Switzerland 5.4082E-8 6.2237E-8 1.7606E-7 1.8036E-7
Czech Republic 3.8543E-8 4.4872E-8 1.3108E-7 1.3520E-7
Germany 4.0767E-8 4.7369E-8 1.4367E-7 1.4197E-7
Denmark 7.3246E-8 8.9004E-8 2.4794E-7 3.0540E-7
Estonia 1.3577E-8 1.8712E-8 6.1964E-8 8.7485E-8
Spain 4.3643E-8 5.3131E-8 1.4680E-7 1.8238E-7
Finland 7.8102E-8 8.3033E-8 2.5532E-7 1.7247E-7
France/Lille 3.2292E-8 3.7884E-8 1.1276E-7 1.1686E-7
France/Toulouse 2.3612E-8 2.6147E-8 8.5269E-8 6.5802E-8
Croatia 1.0209E-8 1.3029E-8 4.6729E-8 5.1111E-8
Ireland 4.9771E-8 5.5829E-8 1.7932E-7 1.4808E-7
North Ireland 2.9414E-8 3.5042E-8 1.1029E-7 1.1353E-7
Italy 2.1162E-8 2.9902E-8 7.9911E-8 1.4396E-7
Netherlands 7.4197E-8 8.4553E-8 2.4938E-7 2.3739E-7
Norway 5.8621E-8 6.4819E-8 1.9742E-7 1.6219E-7
Poland 1.7669E-8 2.1407E-8 6.7451E-8 7.2718E-8
Portugal 5.0968E-8 6.1679E-8 1.6796E-7 2.0830E-7
Sweden 1.0994E-7 1.2533E-7 3.4872E-7 3.5215E-7
Slovenia 2.0827E-8 2.4342E-8 7.2476E-8 7.4158E-8
England/Wales 6.7866E-8 7.2665E-8 2.2580E-7 1.5683E-7
Scottland/Dundee 5.4051E-8 6.1615E-8 1.8106E-7 1.7306E-7
Scottland/Glasgow 2.8838E-8 3.0909E-8 1.0376E-7 6.7061E-8
Full Database 3.8991E-8 3.9214E-8 1.3554E-7 4.9633E-8

The other source, EHSTRAFD, tells that his family members can be found in America as follows:
ALL:
1 Athabaskan [3.11859985862E-013] [100.00] Alaska United States US-0001

MIXED:

1 Chinese [2.71156389242E-013] [100.00] North-Eastern China China CN-0007
2 Japanese [2.00173547266E-013] [73.82] Japan Japan JP-0005
3 South Korean [1.08358885361E-013] [39.96] South Korea Korea, South KR-0002
4 South Korean [1.00933444E-013] [37.22] South Korea Korea, South KR-0007
5 South Korean [7.80446798954E-014] [28.78] South Korea Korea, South KR-0008
6 Japanese [6.81047918504E-014] [25.12] Japan Japan JP-0006
7 Japanese [6.63727809481E-014] [24.48] Central Japan Japan JP-0007
8 Filipino [6.2939930579E-014] [23.21] Philippines Philippines PH-0005

LABELED:
1 Athabaskan [3.11859985862E-013] [100.00] Alaska United States US-0001
2 Native American [2.72015764709E-013] [87.22] Minnesota United States AA-0003
3 Saskatchewan [1.61299377123E-013] [51.72] United States United States AA-0003
4 Navajo [1.22556003308E-013] [39.30] United States United States AA-0003
5 Asian [1.17249946571E-013] [37.60] United States United States AA-0003

Before continuing with G2a of the topic, I want to ask if the family of this man of Egyin Gol belonged to the Scythians.


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There still are many DNATribes components bigger than Scythian: Finnic, Thracian, Portugal, Basque, Celtic...

Why did you label those blue circles Scythic? (In the other forum.) How can you know?


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There still are many DNATribes components bigger than Scythian: Finnic, Thracian, Portugal, Basque, Celtic...

Why did you label those blue circles Scythic? (In the other forum.) How can you know?

How did I know?
As a matter I have investigated the Scythians during five years. G2a was partly strange for me. I only took SNP-tested G2a haplotypes and the program made MJ in a few seconds but I needed help from other persons because one person can search 20 haplotypes&day.
Every haplotype must be searched with different values of DYS385 a &b checking at the same time that the G2a-haplotype does not slip to another haplogroup. This happens very often with your excellent document of N1c1. If DYS392 or DYS393 is 13, this haplotype is too often R1b in Latin America. The same happens many times between I1a and J-haplotypes.

In other words we made tens and tens searches mainly using YHRD with each haplotype trying with different DYS385 a&b. My drawing can have some errors because we must analyze once again and all the haplotypes have a separate file as a word document. Each haplotype needs a map but I have neither time nor capacity for this just now.

I will attach our result of yesterday here as well.
In the picture:
- light blue seems to be West Scythian,
- dark blue is East Scythian,
- yellow = not Scythian.

I am sorry that I published MJ on other forum first, but I was in a hurry and the reason can be found pretty soon. As told somewhere before this FORUM has capacity and especially know how but this seems to be the last sunny and warm summer weekend of this year in Finland.
I personally adore the Scythians due to the blue eyes. I have an exellent foto of a scythian warrior with iceblue eyes but no time to search it. Instead the following (look at the girl!):
http://pastmist.files.wordpress.com/200 ... -vanj1.jpg

As told before some small changes in the colors may happen in the following MJ.

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There still are many DNATribes components bigger than Scythian: Finnic, Thracian, Portugal, Basque, Celtic...

Why did you label those blue circles Scythic? (In the other forum.) How can you know?

How did I know?
As a matter I have investigated the Scythians during five years. G2a was partly strange for me. I only took SNP-tested G2a haplotypes and the program made MJ in a few seconds but I needed help from other persons because one person can search 20 haplotypes&day.
Every haplotype must be searched with different values of DYS385 a &b checking at the same time that the G2a-haplotype does not slip to another haplogroup. This happens very often with your excellent document of N1c1. If DYS392 or DYS393 is 13, this haplotype is too often R1b in Latin America. The same happens many times between I1a and J-haplotypes.

Of course the total haplotype matters, and the haplogroup definition cannot be made from those two markers alone. I don't believe that there are "slips" in my documents, unless you can show evidence for it. :)

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In the picture:
- light blue seems to be West Scythian,
- dark blue is East Scythian,
- yellow = not Scythian.

I still don't get it how you can call them Scythian. There are no Scythians any more. Are there some ancient DNA from the Scythian graves matching those blue haplotypes, or what?


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There still are many DNATribes components bigger than Scythian: Finnic, Thracian, Portugal, Basque, Celtic...

Why did you label those blue circles Scythic? (In the other forum.) How can you know?

How did I know?
As a matter I have investigated the Scythians during five years. G2a was partly strange for me. I only took SNP-tested G2a haplotypes and the program made MJ in a few seconds but I needed help from other persons because one person can search 20 haplotypes&day.
Every haplotype must be searched with different values of DYS385 a &b checking at the same time that the G2a-haplotype does not slip to another haplogroup. This happens very often with your excellent document of N1c1. If DYS392 or DYS393 is 13, this haplotype is too often R1b in Latin America. The same happens many times between I1a and J-haplotypes.

Of course the total haplotype matters, and the haplogroup definition cannot be made from those two markers alone. I don't believe that there are "slips" in my documents, unless you can show evidence for it. :)

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In the picture:
- light blue seems to be West Scythian,
- dark blue is East Scythian,
- yellow = not Scythian.

I still don't get it how you can call them Scythian. There are no Scythians any more. Are there some ancient DNA from the Scythian graves matching those blue haplotypes, or what?


Your list of N1c1 has been investigated completely - NO ERRORS!
I wanted to comment that the mutations in America are surprisig. N1c1 of Old Continent with 13 in DYS392 or DYS393 can be here R1b.

Re: "I still don't get it how you can call them Scythian. There are no Scythians any more. Are there some ancient DNA from the Scythian graves matching those blue haplotypes, or what?"
Correct, but genetically there are Scythian new generations. Sabir (Suar) disappered about 700 AD. They can be found by DNA pretty well. What about Etruscans? They still can be found by DNA and a profound investigation has been made with an excellent map.

Scythians: They have Scythian autosomal STR alleles, of course taken from the ancient bones.

Wiki: Herodotus says the Etruscans came from Lydia, in Asia Minor, as the result of a famine around 1200 B.C., like the Irish coming to the U.S. as a result of a potato famine in the 19th century. The name of the Etruscans, which was Tyrrhenian or Tyrsenian, according to the Greeks*, came from the leader of the Lydian émigrés, King Tyrsenos. The Hellenistic scholar Dionysius of Halicarnassus (c. 30 B.C.) quotes an earlier historian, Hellanicus (contemporary of Herodotus), who objected to the Lydian origin theory on the basis of differences between Lydian and Etruscan languages and institutions.

Too many lost tribes in the history? The boats disappear but the crew with the new generation are still alive. Languages can die for ever and never found again.


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I still don't get it how you can call them Scythian. There are no Scythians any more. Are there some ancient DNA from the Scythian graves matching those blue haplotypes, or what?

No Scythians any more?

DNA Tribes® Europa Report for Example Polish Person
http://www.dnatribes.com/sample-results ... polish.pdf

Marie Rundquist Compares Autosomal DNA Test Results and Analysis
(STR, SNP, mtDNA)
http://www.familyheritageresearchcommun ... sults.html
She mentions that she has some Scythian blood
Scythian (0)0.46

In other words DNA Tribes has their autosomal STR profile...I mean Scythian.
After investigating today 51 R1a1 SNP-tested haplotypes mainly from Cengiz Cinniog˘lu's Anatolia-investigation, I am pretty sure that we can still today find Scythians at least in one place on Earth.


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I still don't get it how you can call them Scythian. There are no Scythians any more. Are there some ancient DNA from the Scythian graves matching those blue haplotypes, or what?

This was a surprise even to me!

Some comments after a short preliminary work with 14 haplotypes from the cemetery of Egyin Gol and Family Tree DNA Project of Finland. A pretty well known person to most of us has commented on Dienekes' Anthropology Blog as follows:

We all know the rise of Xiongnu empire has something to do with IE-speaking Scythians.

http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2010/05/co ... l-and.html

There were undoubtedly Finno-Ugric N1c1 among the Scythians. The follow preliminary drawing will continue later during this week, but it already shows that R1a-Scythians are among us as well.
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In the network SQ2 is and SQ1 are from Egyin Gol, but at the same time we have many Finns with the same Egyin Gol-haplotypes according to the diagram. As a matter of fact I had to take the risk (not all alleles needed) with SQ1 (one person) of Egyin Gol assuming that he belongs to the same family. SQ5 = 3 Finns and SQ11 is one Finn inside the the Egyin Gol yellow balls with the same results. SQ6 is from Poland, SQ7 from Estonia, SQ13 is a Finn again like SQ12 and SQ14.
(This story and network will continue, when about 100 R1a-haplogroups included....)

EDIT LATER:
I am sorry to inform that I (maybe) cannot continue more, because I have promised to be quiet on all Forums about my Aymara and Quechua investigations of five years. Everyone can find the reason investigating autosomal STR of this R1a-Finno-Scythian Grave number 72 of Egyin Gol.

http://www.ehstrafd.org/modules/mpgo/form.cfm

It seems that some strong tribes like east Scythians spoke mixed Finno-Kolla-Lupacan-Scythian language in Xiongnu about 500 BC even if other autosomal STR results strongly refer to the Finnic and Khamningan at same time in the frontier corner of Russia, Mongolia and China.

A few words about the results of this Scythian R1a:

A. All/Grave 72:
1 Argentine [5.02048798728E-012] [100.00] Salta Argentina AR-0001
2 Peruan [3.30568672075E-012] [65.84] Peru Peru PE-0001

B. Mixed/Grave 72 mixed:
1 Argentine [5.02048798728E-012] [100.00] Salta Argentina AR-0001
2 Peruan [3.30568672075E-012] [65.84] Peru Peru PE-0001

C. Labeled/Grave 72:

1 Argentine [5.02048798728E-012] [100.00] Salta Argentina AR-0001
2 Peruan [3.30568672075E-012] [65.84] Peru Peru PE-0001

As a matter of fact they are Aymara-and Quechua People (SALTA of Argentine now) who occupied the Titicaca area before Lupakas (Lupaca/Lupaqa meaning Wolf in Old Indian language) under the leadership of Kari, King of the Lupacas. Lupaca spoke only the Lupacan dialect of Aymara.
Inka allied later with Lupacas has thrown People of Kolla to North Argentine (Jujuy & Salta) after heavy battles. BTW, Lupaca came from the caves of Copiapo in Chile, the same place with the happily ended mine accident not so many months ago.
According to two (German and Finnish) professors Jujuy was mainly Magyars at least in Xiongnu.

This book published in 1875 must be taken seriously:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Peruvia-Scythic ... 1164884751

PS. If R1a1 has brought the Finnish language to Finland?


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"Scythian" in DNA-Tribes is just a pseudo-ethnicity; there are no such thing in the world any more as Scythians. Of course there still are people who have inherited some genes from Scythians.

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PS. If R1a1 has brought the Finnish language to Finland?

It is possible. If we could trace some R1a1-lineages back to Estonia and perhaps further back to Volga region, they would be strong candidates to be connected with Uralic language.


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"Scythian" in DNA-Tribes is just a pseudo-ethnicity; there are no such thing in the world any more as Scythians. Of course there still are people who have inherited some genes from Scythians.

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PS. If R1a1 has brought the Finnish language to Finland?

It is possible. If we could trace some R1a1-lineages back to Estonia and perhaps further back to Volga region, they would be strong candidates to be connected with Uralic language.

I was frustrated to add more than 37 samples from the Finnish DNA Project even if I had copied so far 62 and most of them like Egyin Gol R1a Family Grave.
I'll concentrate to adding only Estonian and Hungarian samples. So far I have 4 samples from Estonia. It will take time to analyze because some samples are from the Russian Carelia with Finnish surnames. Anyway every sample has kit-identification number. At least the last Estonian sample has only one step to this grave but we need more.


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There are indications that hungarian R1a1 is of special, asian type according to Biodiversity forum. As we on the other hand already know that N1c1 was one of hungarian y-haplotypes during the migration era, there is a possibility that R1a1 and N1c1 are really linguistically connected to each other, possibly along the lines as presented by Saukkonen. It will be very interesting to see if there are R1a1's of this same type in Finland and Estonia.

Actually, come to think of that, it may even be possible that the late iranian influences in baltic finnic, as found by Koivulehto, may be traces of a relatively late migration into Baltic area, from the forest steppe in the south-east.


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There are indications that hungarian R1a1 is of special, asian type according to Biodiversity forum. As we on the other hand already know that N1c1 was one of hungarian y-haplotypes during the migration era, there is a possibility that R1a1 and N1c1 are really linguistically connected to each other, possibly along the lines as presented by Saukkonen. It will be very interesting to see if there are R1a1's of this same type in Finland and Estonia.

Actually, come to think of that, it may even be possible that the late iranian influences in baltic finnic, as found by Koivulehto, may be traces of a relatively late migration into Baltic area, from the forest steppe in the south-east.

I have not samples enouhg from Estonia but added last night all R1a-haplotypes from Hungarian project. Now Network has 80 haplotypes but adding just now about 20 Finns. Later a separate Network might be necessary taking Iran and even India, because DNA Tribes mentioned that India is strongest in Estonia. Nothing to do with language but maybe for my private interests.
No hope so far with Estonia but Hungary seems promising.

Hmm...Iran? I'll have a look at them immediately and leave the Finnish samples (already much enough). Thanks for the hint.


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There are indications that hungarian R1a1 is of special, asian type according to Biodiversity forum. As we on the other hand already know that N1c1 was one of hungarian y-haplotypes during the migration era, there is a possibility that R1a1 and N1c1 are really linguistically connected to each other, possibly along the lines as presented by Saukkonen. It will be very interesting to see if there are R1a1's of this same type in Finland and Estonia.

Very interesting. Hungarian Y-project has this different Asian Tribe -group with only three samples, it begins with 14 23 17, when "normal" R1a1 begins with 13 25 16. There are no such Asian haplotypes in Finland project.

It is possible that Western Uralic expansion is connected to some subgroup of R1a1 or N1c1, but this is yet to be found.


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There are indications that hungarian R1a1 is of special, asian type according to Biodiversity forum. As we on the other hand already know that N1c1 was one of hungarian y-haplotypes during the migration era, there is a possibility that R1a1 and N1c1 are really linguistically connected to each other, possibly along the lines as presented by Saukkonen. It will be very interesting to see if there are R1a1's of this same type in Finland and Estonia.

Very interesting. Hungarian Y-project has this different Asian Tribe -group with only three samples, it begins with 14 23 17, when "normal" R1a1 begins with 13 25 16. There are no such Asian haplotypes in Finland project.

It is possible that Western Uralic expansion is connected to some subgroup of R1a1 or N1c1, but this is yet to be found.

We can see most effectively our ancient contacts with the Hungarians by having an autosomal Time Travel to the Scythian Graveyard in Egyin Gol with the Ambassadors of Hungary, Mongolia, Buryat, Aymara of Bolivia, Kolla of Salta and Khamnigan. I made a picture of the graveyard as a phylogenetic Network with 50 graves and the "foreign visitors" among the graves in different colors.

Really touching to see the Finnish and Hungarian representatives side by side in the NETWORK in different colors drying their tears to the shrouds of the dead brothers especially at the tombs according to my numbers SQ1, SQ24 and SQ24. The program shows pretty well the graves of the same family and the family ties between the graves. After checking a few more graves by autosomal STR search, strong Finno-Ugric participating can be seen in other graves as well, but a lot of searches matched France, Spain, Szech Republic, Germany and Croacia etc, too. It will take many days to finish this Network picture.

I suppose there is one important haplogroup among the Scythians we have not mentioned a word so far.

Coclusions: East Scythian was a multinational Super Power with mercenaries from everywhere. Who are the original Scythians in the West? The Network picture shows pretty clearly that this military unit or village belonged to the Buryats and the Mongolian representative with other "outsiders" were far away from the center. Using the terminology of DNA Tribes Khamnigan is (IMO) genetically a Finno-Ugric tribe and at least originally with a non-mongolic language. At least we have proof that there was a strong contact with the Hungarians in Egyin Gol and Xiongnu area.

BTW, I found new alleles to Hungary for this profound Egyin Gol investigation. Maybe autosomal STR can give more hints about our common history? In this situation (with these loci) we - Finns and Hungarians - are genetically really close brothers.


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"Scythian" in DNA-Tribes is just a pseudo-ethnicity; there are no such thing in the world any more as Scythians. Of course there still are people who have inherited some genes from Scythians.

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PS. If R1a1 has brought the Finnish language to Finland?

It is possible. If we could trace some R1a1-lineages back to Estonia and perhaps further back to Volga region, they would be strong candidates to be connected with Uralic language.

I personally know many Scythians and pretty soon will meet more originally from Egyin Gol.

In it the names of Herodotus and the names of his title, except Saka, as well as many other words for "Scythian," such as Assyrian Akuz and Greek Skuthēs, descend from *skeud-, an ancient Indo-European root meaning "propel, shoot" (cf. English shoot). *skud- is the zero-grade; that is, a variant in which the -e- is not present. The restored Scythian name is *Skuda (archer), which among the Pontic or Royal Scythians became *Skula, in which the d has been regularly replaced by an l.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythians

Tämän ryhmän Skytät tulevat ymmärtääkseni sanasta skyttare eli ampuja. Näet viimeistään 1300-luvulta lähtien kuninkaalla ja ylimyksillä oli Ruotsissa palveluksessaan ratsastavia ammattisotilaita eli ampujia. Näiden aseena oli jalkajousi ja 1400-luvulla 1,2 m pitkä hakapyssy sekä sen jälkeen arkebuusi ja n. v:sta 1600 alkaen karabiini. Nimistä päätellen ampujat olivat aluksi usein saksalaisia, mutta vähitellen kotimaisten miesten määrä kasvoi. Osa ampujista lukeutui rälssisäätyyn.
Skyttä-nimistön laajaa levinneisyyttä miettiessä voi vain arvata, miten suuri työ on sukukirjan tekeminen. Ei ole mahdollista eikä edes tarpeellista ympätä kaikkia Skyttiä saman suvun yhteyteen. Näet Skyttä eli ruotsiksi skytt tai skyttare on ollut alkuaan ammattinimi tarkoittaen ampujaa, josta vasta vähitellen kehittyi sukunimi. (Sorry using a Finnish link but a common Finnish surname Skyttä really means a man with bow and arrow: Shot, Marksman, Skjutare in Swedish
http://suvut.genealogia.fi/skytta/sukuhistoriaa.htm

Proto-Germanic: *skiutan- vb., *skiuta-, *skutja-, *skaut=, *skuta-n etc.; *xut=
Meaning: throw, shoot
IE etymology: IE etymology
Gothic: CrimGot schieten `mittere sagittam'
Old Norse: skjōta st. `schiessen, stossen; fortsenden; werfen, treffen; bezahlen'; skjōt-r `schnell'; skjōt-r m. `Reittier'; skot n. `Schuss, Schusswaffe; Schlupfwinkel, Anbaum; Tribut'; skutil-l `Harpune'
Norwegian: skjota vb.; skjot adj.; skjot `Reisefeförderung'; skjuts `Reisebeförderung, Post'; skot; skutel
Old Swedish: skiuter adj.; skut
Swedish: skjuta vb.; dial. skjut `Reisebeförderung; Stute, Pferd'
Old Danish: skjut `Reisebeförderung; Stute, Pferd'
Danish: sküde vb.; skut `Schuss, Schössling'
Old English: scēotan `werfen, schiessen, schlagen, stossen', scēot `schnell', scyte m. `het schieten etc.'; scēot, scot n. `het schieten, snelle beweging, belasting'; scutel, scytel `Wurfgeschoss, Pfeil, Riegel'; scēat m. `hoek, strek etc.', scīete f. `lap goed'
English: shoot, shot, shuttle, sheet
Old Frisian: skiāta vb.; skot n. `werptuig, belasting'; skāt m. `pand, schoot van een kleed'; skyte
Old Saxon: skiotan
Middle Dutch: scieten `zich of iets snel bewegen; uitspruiten, schieten, werpen'; scōte (= scöte) m., f. `schot, scheut, spruit; schot van schietwerktuig, pijlschot; stroom, snelle loop'; scot, gen. scōtes/scottes n. `werptuig, pijlen, schietwerktuig, spruit, grendel, houten schot, afgeschutte ruimte, opsluiten van vee, dat de eigendom van anderen beschadigt, belasting'; scoot m. `pand, schoot van een kleed, deel van de wapenrusting, moederschoot, zeebozem'
Dutch: schieten; scheut m.; schot n.; schoot m.
Old Franconian: scietan
Middle Low German: schōte m. `schot, pijl, geweerlading'; schot n. `werptuig, schietwerktuig, belasting, grendel, schut'; schotel `Riegel'; schōt m. `pand, deel van de wapenruisting, gremium, rivierbed, zeeboezem, achterste deel van de kerk'; schēten vb.
Old High German: scioʒan `schiessen, schleudern, schnell bewegen' (9.Jh.), scoʒ n. `Geschoss, Schössling', scuʒ m. `das Schleudern, Wurf, das Geworfene, Geschwindigkeit' (9. Jh.)'; scōʒ m. `Zipfel, Kleiderschoss, Rockschoss', scoʒʒa f. (Hs. 13.Jh.), erdscoʒʒa (10.Jh.)
Middle High German: schieʒen st. 'wund- oder totschiessen, schieben, stossen, schleudern, sich schnell wie ein Geschoss bewegen'; schuʒ (-ʒʒ-) st. m. 'Stoss, Stich, Schuss, Lanzewurf, schnelle Bewegung'; schoʒ (-ʒʒ-) st. n. 'Schössling'
German: Schoss, Schuss, schiessen; dial. hutzen `antreiben, hetzen; stossen'

Do you know anybody with surname Skyttä, Skytte etc?

But we were discussing before about the possibility R1a1a + Finnish language. I found an old Network of the Scythian R1a made from Finnish and Hungarian DNA Projects at random search = 96 R1a-haplotypes. The following picture should show all the numbers from 1 to 96, but they cannot be seen without another tiny program because a lot numbers are inside the yellow balls each indicating the same R1a1-haplotype.
A few comments taking haplotypes of Sverdlovsk as well because at least to me Sverdlovsk is Mecca of ancient R1a-Scythians.

Referring to the following result of 96 haplotypes:

Number SQ26 has
-Sverdlovsk 62
-Finland 10
-Hungary 20
-Estonia 6

Number SQ2:
-Sverdlovsk 35
-Finland 12
-Hungary 10
-Estonia 4

Number SQ14:
-Sverdlovsk 20
-Finland 1
-Hungary 1
-Estonia 1

Number SQ23:

-Sverdlovsk 14
-Finland 3
-Hungary 19
-Estonia 1

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